We've come a long way. I'm Polynesian and it's safe to say that my ancestors agrees with Bullshit's version of Family Values as far as the variety is better, concept is concern. Multible partners was common all the way down to my father. Of course it wasn't considered legal but it wasn't uncommon practice either. Personally, It's not for me. But, whatever floats your boat. Statistics say that children are best raised by the traditional Family with a Mother and Father, but so as the gay lesbian household environment. I guess it all comes down to good old basic fundamentals, raise them with love, happiness, hope and prayer and all the good you can ever give. Raise them to become good and most pleasant human beings.
Dr Sasha Rose Neil stated that there was no evidence that children raised in single parent or homosexual families were any worse off than those in "traditional families" yet this cannot be backed up since these phenomenon are recent so we really cannot comment on the long term impact on children and society. I believe that each single one of us has the right to choose how to live their lives however they want or with whom ever they want to. But I will tell you this If my husband ever come to me and tell me that he wants a second wife or just another person to be part of our family as his companion, I am not staying for this, I do not believe for my personal life in more than one spouse. I personally probably would kill him, hahahaha.
I think that American is heading down a bad road. Although I strongly believe a child should be raise in a "traditional" family. I was a bit offended by the harping of the traditional family as that is what I grew up with. I have no problem whatsoever with gay and lesbian couples raising children. I believe they are capable of raising children to have good morals and beliefs but what I dont agree with is a married couple bringing another couple into the home for relations wether it be sexual or not. There are some things that are meant to be only between two people. I found it pretty sad that so many people nowadays dont believe in monogamy and how beautiful and how special it is to share somethings with no one other than your spouse.
I believe that any child that is raised properly in an healthy home will grow up to be respectable adult no matter what type of parents he/she might have. So I have nothing against wither traditional or lesbian/gay parents. What I do have a problem with Octa-mom! She's single and can't even afford to take of her kids, let alone give them all her undivided attention. She's soooo retarded!
As for the having others in your relationship I think it's really ok only if I'm the only one bring girls home, hehe! Shit I might not get married at all and just become like Hugh Hafner with all his live in girlfriends! Now that's a true pimp! :-)
I don’t think that a child having two dads or two moms will have any disadvantages growing up. it won’t affect how the child grows up as long as the parents raise their kids to be good people. One thing I do think that can affect a child is when the parent brings home a new person every night. There are only so many uncles you can have before you start to question everything in life.
This one isn't so black and white to me. It is a lot more gray then anything. The way parents bring up there children matters until they reach the age of independance, now this can be a different age for different children. Once the kid realizes, "hey I don't have to do what my parents say? I'll do what I want, who cares what they say?" Then when this point is reached, it matters more of who they are hanging out with, rather then who their parents are. Be it a straight, gay, lesbian, multi-partner, multi-specie relationship. I guess what im trying to say is wheter you agree with it or not your kids friends will have a bigger effect on how your child "turns out" then who raises them. More often then not your kids friends will determine what they do. Be it good or bad. The important part of parenting is trying to get into your childs brain, before their period of independance, what values should be important to them. Raise your kids to select good friends if you want them to turn out to be good people.
HAHAHA, Octa-Mom I couldn’t agree more with Tommy on that. I would have to say everything is good in moderation. What are Family values? Better yet, what do those words mean? Are any of us “self righteous” enough to say what a FAMILY should be? As Americans we love to idealize the nuclear, well not all of us mostly (I said “mostly” don’t get your feelings hurt) conservatives, and religious people. And that’s because it’s so much a part of the culture that surrounds their lives. Now I’m not saying people who aren’t religious or conservative don’t believe in a nuclear family but they realize that families are as different as we all are from each other. “Different” doesn’t mean “BAD” and I use different very loosely and neither way is necessarily proven better. The facts are that the idealized nuclear family came about post war of the 1950’s and has been forever been engrained into our psyche. But before then it was never different to live with aunts, cousins, grandparents etc. Just recently the issue has been more pertinent to give gays the same rights to raise children whether they choose to married or not. http://www.economist.com/diversions/millennium/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=346995 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_values
Family values is a tough one to swallow for me. I agree completely that a nuclear family does not really exist. I think that any child raised in a loving home, with gay, single, or a mom and dad, can become a good kid with good values and goals. The problem that I see is people who live in a traditional family seem to be under attack for living in a traditional family.
The movie seemed to poke fun at the people who thought that love should be sweet or unique to just two people, specifically a man and a woman. I think if you have a traditional family that is fine, just as fine as being a unique family.
I think the style of the family is the least important issue. What builds any family up or down is the relationships and respect found in that family and outside that family. Coming from a divorced family I know that you can grow up to be a normal healthy kid and still have 2 sets of parents.
As a nation if we learn to respect both sides of the argument we will be more accepting of both traditional families and unique families. The problem with bullshit was in it's intent to find respect and acceptance of one type of living it trampled all over the other type of living.
I think they poked fun at traditional type families to try to prove a point. However, I do not think that any particular style of family is better than the other. I think it is how the ones in the relationship, whatever it may be, handle themselves, which makes it a good or bad relationship. I have not seen many homosexual couples personally, and I have not seen a couple who shares with each other, but I have only seen a traditional man and woman type family. I would say that man and woman is just as bad as the rest or just as bad. This is because it is the people who they are around. We have all seen kids from typical families become some of the worst kids imaginable. Then I also have a friend who has never met his father, and mother is gone alot, yet he is one of the best people around. How does this work? It has nothing to do with the family style, but rather the people in it, and I think that is what people should be focused on more, rather than focusing on religous views of marriage and family.
Pro Oh my goodness, I hated to make this comment! Anyway, I don't know I..Let me explain, I grew up with traditional family very conservative. I hated it!. I guess I don't know, I am the only boy for the family. I would love to have my brother and sisters. But to add more wife to my dad. oh no... that would never work for them. It is depanding on th stuation family backgrounds. As long our society is balancing and mixing. That would good enough for me. Con And yet we stared to see chance happening in this cricle time. we did more knowlege and grwoing faster then ever in ideal, meaning of life and true. I must accept to fact the past human history prove our, and think we can difine ourself far beyond the wildest dream. That is very one is the global family with long distant spider webs. There are no doubt that soon happen.
I personally love the idea, because if a same sex couple wasn't allowed to adopt. I wouldn't be here now. The idea that two mothers should somehow be less capable of raising a child than a father and a mother is abhorrant to me. I don't care if it takes a neighborhood to raise a child, but don't tell me that if I had a mom and a dad I would be so much better off. I've seen so many people who had a mom and a dad who were abused or even destroyed by two people who weren't ready for the responsability of parenthood, and it distresses me to see good friends snap, or go crazy, or simply be abandoned by parents who couldn't handle the task. parenthood in an of itself is a hard job. If a couple wishes to have kids (any kind of couple) they need to make sure they are ready for the challenges having a child brings. As for the people who have more than one partner, It takes a village and if you can secure the help, the better to you.
When it comes down to family values, I can’t speak for everyone on what this means but I can tell you what it means to me, it’s a family who takes care of each other and where the adults look over the children by teaching and enforcing moral values. To me this is not only limited to a traditional family, I can see it working with any type of family as long as the adults assume responsibility within their role. I believe marriage between a man and a woman to be a special bond that you share with one person but that’s just me, I don’t think any other type of marriage is wrong or unmoral. As long as you’re raising your kids right, it is not a problem and what I mean by raising your kids right is every person alive knows the difference between a good deed and a bad one, so it’s not that difficult to figure out from there.
Family values... to say that only type of family makes the most successful children is ridiculous. In today's world there are people from all walks of life that "make it big" and also make it in prison. To make it short and simple, it depends on the person/people raising the children. They themselves have to have good values and goals and a sense of family.
This is one of those subjects that I have pondered on a lot and being raised LDS and still an active member I do still hold to the position that a healthy, loving "Traditional marriage” is still the overall best environment in which to raise kids. I don’t know if the term "traditional Marriage" could ever be politically correct especially in a modern sense but that’s what people are calling it so I'll go with it. Don’t get me wrong though, I can see how any person, couple, or group of people can raise children very well in fact I'm sure there are many instances where children raised in “nontraditional families” can be just as well if not more well adjusted than those raised in the traditional way but I trust in my church doctrine and beliefs so I’ll just go on living as I see fit, letting others make their own decisions and trying not to judge them unfairly. For me it’s really not a matter of what studies show or what certain circumstances produce it’s a matter of faith. Raising a family is probably the hardest thing anyone will ever do in their life. Getting it right seems nearly impossible. It’s a lifelong commitment and that in itself makes it an enormously difficult but infinitely rewarding experience. Anyone who loves, provides for and commits themselves to raising honest, caring, healthy, happy and loving children is worthy of great respect ( I have four kids myself and as I said earlier I know it’s the hardest and most rewarding thing I’ll ever do)(Props to all you who are trying to raise good kids). Kids will make their own decisions no matter what kind of home they are raised in and even children from the same families raised in identical situations can be criminals or saints. I don’t think that the ultimate destiny of a person depends on what type of home they were raised in, it’s up to them to choose how their life will be. Even with a loving Father and Mother there’s no guarantee that kids will be well behaved or productive contributors to society. Nevertheless my faith in the original family unit as in the beginning with Adam and Eve compels me to continue in this way. To anyone either raised differently or raising children differently from this way I wish you all the best of blessings for both you and your children.... Amen. J/K. I just wanted to acknowledge that I did sound a little preachy. Sorry! Pen and Teller would rip me a new asshole for saying this stuff. Those guys are awesome (sometimes).
Kids will be kids. I agree with Steve Ras-You are who you hang out with. I do not know the statistics, but I'm guessing that if you're a little kid, being raised by 2 "characters" of the same gender... You're probably gunna' be a little queer yourself... Damn, I'm trying not to make this sound offensive. Kids want to grow up to be like somebody... I always admired my dad's strength, and my mom's tenderness. To have 2 parents of the same sex... Let me skate away from this nightmare. The guy with the 2 girls... Or the girl with the 2 guys... What about the other 2 losers? So, let me get this straight... lol
Family is the basic building blocks of life. If you think about it, our society is quite reliant on the upbringing of our successors. Who will take over once we are gone? What values are correct to teach our children? Who knows? For me, I would like to raise MY SEED with a loving WIFE who shares similar values as me. Can a gay or lesbian couple do it better than me? Sure, and I am not going to tell anyone what they need to do, but don’t tell me what to do either. The idea of a traditional family is comforting and I like it! For me the only way to raise a family is the traditional way.
So what family system raises children best??? I don’t think anyone can make that judgment call. No matter how much research is done. It is too situational and circumstantial. Personalities vary too much and there is no way to graph true thoughts and feelings and such, but everyone has choices and we should not limit them. Let the Gays and adulterers and traditional radicals do what they want.
I believe that one wife and for one husband, one husband for one wife is the best. If they caanot do that, they should not get married. We are not animal, we are the human that can control our desire.To have realtionship with more than one is something animal do.I think it is ok for gays couple to have children, but not all of us are ready to accept gays couple. So there are high chances that thier children can teased by other children at school. If they think about that, they should not involve thier children to thier wishes. But what can I say? If they do not try, they won't be accepted from society forever. But I just do not feel right about it. There are reason why we have men and women. We have different abilities and can do different thing for child. It is just hard to say, I have nice gay friends and I want them to live happy and be able to get what other people get.
Family Values... the term itself promotes diversity. Every family is going to be different, every family will have different views on the right and wrong way to bring up a child. And with every different family comes a different circumstance. Any study can be skewed to show anything, given the right variables studied vs. the right variable left out. No one can say to another with 100% certainty that just because you are Gay or Lesbian, or Single that you cannot raise a child just as well as someone who is the social "norm" of heterosexual male and female relationship. I know many people that are very unfit to become parents that would fit in the normal family category.
But who is to judge what normal is anyhow. Normal to one person in white suburbia of Utah is completely awkward and out of this world to someone from pretty much any other state. Just as we have freedom of religion and speech. I think we should have freedom to raise our children the way we see best fit with the person we see best fit to do it.
It doesn't matter if a child is raised by two moms, two dads, or a varation of both. I think what matters is the family values you teach them and the love that is expressed to them.
I agree or I see it more logical when two same sex couples or a traditional marriage are raising a child than a union of many multiple moms and a dad. If they're are raised with multiple moms and a dad, what morals and values are being taught to this child? Would he grow up and not know how to respect a woman or vice versa would the young girl being raised be controlled and manipulated in a relationship, because this is what she experienced in her childhood? I don't know if I agree with it.
Now same-sex couple rasing a child, the biggest problem I could think of happening in this situation would be: If a child is being raised by two men or woman, he/she might lack the bonding that a boy would get with his dad or a girl lacking the bond that is only possible with a mom. It wouldn't be the same as when a boy goes out with his dad to play catch or a mom and daughter having a "mom & daughter date" shopping.
Though the movie explains how our world is moving to a more modern accepting era, there is still a lot of judging and stereo-typing in our society. I say this because, Lets say a child being raised by a same-sex marriage goes to school and one of his classmates finds out that he has two dads instead of a mom and a dad. Knowing how kids are, they will see it weird and different and they might tell all the other classmates. And the classmates might judge and ridicule the child, making the child's life and school experience a living hell. Just because he is a little different. This can really affect a child's mental state. We know how bullying and stereo typing is in jr. high and high school.
I think it's great if a same-sex marriage raises a child, but we need to take into consideration how this will affect the child in society. Because though we say society is being more accepting we still have people who are cruel and judgemental!
a family is a family no matter what. raising a kid with love is all that matters can a lesbian/gay couple raise a kid and show there adopted kid love? yes they can. the kid might grow up pretty fucked in the head i grew up without a dad and that has had a big affect on my life so to moms would of been some weird shit but at least the kid has a loving family that was able to take care of him/her that there mom couldn't so yes there is pros in the same sex marriages but like i said there are alot of cons in the family.in my opinion you are NOT born gay you are born straight so why not keep it that way raise your kids and have a good normal family.
Family values has nothing to do with gay, straight, multiple lovers or what not. Family values is about taking care of one another as a kid hopefully your parents feed you cloth you and do what they can for you. When your parents get old hopefully you will return the favor.
Even though I'm married and have one kid and another on the way. I'm don't really believe that we as a species were made to be with one partner. However I don't plan on cheating on my wife even though I have the urge to get on every hot chick I see. The reasoning for this is that if she cheated on me I would be totally pissed off and probably murder someone. So Family Values has allot to do with the golden rule. Plus there is allot of STD's and yeah your pretty much an asshole if you're out spreading those around.
I think that the reason that most American families are set up with a Husband, Wife, and kids is because of money if you knock a girl up you are gonna have to pay for that kid in dollar amounts so men and women cant go around and have sex with everyone because of a thing called child support and the need to know what child is who's.
As far as gay, straight. I'm gonna say that you are born that way because I didn't choose to love vagina's and boobs I just always have. Having gay parents is not going to mess you up. Having straight or gay parents that are pedophiles and or child rapist is what will mess you up.
Family values and the traditional family are 2 different things that do cross boundaries with each other.
Being gay, straight, or bisexual determines your sexual orientation, not the way you raise a raise.
A couple points are that having a father and a mother raising has shown me and has taught me that that is the best way FOR ME to be in the future. That is my traditional view. However, that does not make it the best way for everyone. You can't push that belief against others if you see them happy. A happy family is a happy family.
If a gay couple want to raise a child, that's fine. If a straight couple want to raise a child, that's fine. But they better realize that the child comes first in everything. Love is what makes a family. Values is what is taught in a family. Love and values are what is inside a family.
That's what I want. Tradition in my eyes, whatever it is in yours.
My parents loved each other as well as me, and the best part is that they both contributed in making me. As I grew they cultivated the pros in my character. Don’t you all know; my parents are the only ones that know how to raise a kid?
The problem with gay couples is that only one can have a hand in creating a baby. It’s a common belief that you simply don’t love another person’s kid like you would your own.
I don’t see how any one could be so arrogant to bring a helpless person into the world anyway. You have to be pretty narcissistic if you ask me… The best part is; I’ll most likely join the trend one day, multiple times.
I agree with most of the posts. Who are we as a society to pinpoint what works best for family values? I know a gay couple with a child and they are the greatest parents. They have a smart, well-behaved 11 year old. Who is to say that if this child was raised in a heterosexual environment they would have turned out differently? As the show tried to prove, just because the family itself is set up a little differently than the "traditional" american family does not depict that the child isn't going to be raised to be a mature adult. Just like one of the speakers in the show stated that family values have been evolving over time and who is to say that maybe 50 or 100 years from now things won't be different? Also agreeing with someother things listed by others in the post is that sometimes the most messed-up, trouble-making, rude people do grow up in a traditional setting. So for society to play the blame game and say "well they never had a father/mother figure in their life" is an excuse. If the parent is strong enough to raise a child with the proper care then who is it once more to say they didn't do it the right way?
This show tells you how different America is about raising a family. About 50 years ago people wouldnt even think about letting gays and lasbians raise a family of innocent kids. But now they want to pass a bill saying that its totally ok. Also bringing in another couple to have sex with you is just down right weird. I dont know about you but I'm sure when I get married my wife wouldn't like that to much. But we do live in America which gives us the right to choose whatever we want!!!
I think that the way you were raised has a lot to do with who you will become in the future. I don't think that there is a huge difference on what "family type" your raised up in as long as there are good influences around you. Some people might disagree on the gay/lesbian families but it's not like they are evil people, they just want a family like everyone else. Family isn't alway a Mom, Dad, Brothers and Sisters but it's who is there for you all the time and you can help you when you need it most.
I believe in a traditional family value system personaly and i dont see anything wrong with it that being said i dont see a problem with any other kind of values either wether they are gay lesbian swingers whatever it doesnt really matter as long as they are ok with it and have functioning lifes who cares what they do they are not harming you in any way and there are tons of traditional familys that have problems as well maybe we should stop looking at what genders or how many people are in the family and look at what the reall problems really are let it be alcohol drugs or just a dick head of a person in the family all in all i think it just comes down to what each individual person is comfortable with and if it works it works if it doesnt try something else or someone else
i support the traditional family, but there is no problem with any set of parents raising children. it seems that the world is becoming more and more tolerant of other people and their views. so there is no reason that a loving couple, homosexual or not, should be able to raise children just as well as a traditional family.
a traditional family does have it's advantages. with society today, children of a traditional family will have an easier time relating with other children their age. though i support the traditional family view, i cannot ignore that a homosexual couple would do as good a job at raising children as any other couple.
I stand firm in my belief that the best situation for raising children is in a loving home with a father and a mother, ie...the "traditional family". However, my focus in that last sentence is "LOVING"...it is not enough, and not good enough for it to just be a father and mother. Two (and even sometimes 1) parents of whatever gender can be very good with positive outcomes...i just feel there are some things that two "moms" or two "dads" will not be able to teach as well as the mother/father combo.
the debate for family as it is seen in America is one that is rather heated. here we have the idea of the family as it was created by those that formed America. people with strong religious convictions and sense of morality. to these people one man and one woman was a family and none else would do. as the christian majority held sway for a very long time this has become the "American" view of the family. i would agree with the historians in the show that the one man one woman concept of family is not the most popular in historical concept, but each nation and culture is allowed the freedom to decide what they will define to be a standard in that culture. of course as time goes on and a culture evolves then of course so can the definitions of say family. in America we have a history of violent opposition to any other form of "family" offered by any religion, sect or creed. do i feel that gay and lesbian couples are more or less capable than an normal family to raise kids? not really, in fact with the enormous pressures that they have politically, there are many of these couples that overcompensate. that is they work harder and longer than the normal family to raise their kids. that said there are couples on both sides of the fence that are not fit to be parents and others that are great at raising a family. this is more of an individual thing than a blanket solution on the gays vs normal families. as you think of family and who should be allowed to have a family, maybe the goals that we hold for the family units should be reviewed.
I believe in a traditional family. That doesn't mean that I don't believe that a nontraditional family works as well. I believe that it is how a child is raised, not who raises them. If a child is raised with good values, they should carry those values into their adult lives. It doesn't matter whether the parents are gay or lesbain. What matters is how they do the raising. I was raised in a traditional family who taught me good values, and I hope to pass those same values down in my family.
A family comes in many forms. Studies have shown that children do much better and with their biological mother AND father. There are real statistic in my marriage and family book I can show you. Just because perverts think having sex with everyone and trying to raise kids is effective doesn't mean it is. All Penn and Teller gave us in this one was a bunch of opinions from bad sources, no facts. Children from homosexual families are very well developed, happy, and functional but we do not have enough studies for a long period of time analasys. We have had traditional families since the begining of time and only homosexual families for 20 maybe 30 years. There also is a much smaller amount of them so the overall results are unknown. I don't think a child must have both a mother and a father to have qualities needed to live a functional happy life. Families come in many forms and children adapt very well. Parents are not the only thing that produce a good child as well. Having certain values is extremely important though for a good family. Children do not do well in families that have low values, are inconsistant, are not nurtured and many other aspects that a good family will have.
While it is perhaps gratifying to focus on the child rearing credential of the alternative social structures that Penn & Teller used to question the validity of a concept of the “traditional family,” it sets aside the issue that they were in fact calling into question whether the traditional family ever in fact existed en masse as it is perceived. Even in a externally nuclear family with mother, father and child, gender roles and social stereotypes are incorrectly assumed to exist, when very often they do not. Mothers are not the exclusive nurturing force, and fathers are not the sole purveyors of sportsmanship or outdoor enthusiasm. Thus, even in a household with a mother and father, you will not find that the mother contributes one predictable thing while fathers contribute something distinctly male and different.
It has become increasingly common for women to be the sole financial provider for a family, allowing the father to the be primary nurturer. In point of fact, my husband and I have had a long standing arrangement and plan for our future along these lines. He has worked full time and will continue to do so until I finish law school and can easily earn income enough to support both of us and perhaps consider whether we are ready to start a family. At that point, he is free to not work if he chooses, as he does not find the personal satisfaction and achievement in working that I do. He plans to be the primary caregiver for our children and therefore tends to follow news regarding “stay-at-home dads.” Although it may come as a shock, the news is nearly as oppressive and discriminatory as it can be for homosexual (both male and female) couples.
If, as many of you have stated, the main (cited) drawback to same-sex parenting is how children are treated and discriminated against, then it is a main drawback to egalitarian marriages in which men are primary caregivers as well. Men out alone in public with their children are treated with wariness, suspicion and hostility due to a hysterical fear that all men involved with children are sexual predators. When a woman drags a screaming toddler from a grocery store at midday, it is assumed that the child is simply having a tantrum; should a father be observed doing the same, very often the same people will suspect that the child is being abducted. Fathers have been banned from “play-date” groups on the assumption that they pose a danger to the children and even been asked to leave public parks when visiting with their children.
The traditional family has always been a mythical ideal, and today is more so than ever as oppressive gender roles have been shed to accommodate the specific needs of individuals and families.
Family Values- believe that family values are very important. I believe that in almost any family situtation things can work out better then the traditional family. That not every famliy is the same. I believe that the traditional family is the family that works the best. That more people that have a mother father and kids is the family that works for most, and i other situtaion it can be bad for kids and it could work out for kids. I also believe that religion plays a big part on the family. For good or bad. I think that some situations can bond your family closer to each other and something can bring your family down.
I have grown up in what they call a traditional family. I have a mom and a dad but then they got divorced and remarried and so now I have step brothers and sister on both sides and now that I'm married I have brothers and sisters in law and so on and so forth. Now does that mean that everyone in america should live the same way? No, I think that there are many different ways to be a family. If you are gay and want kids, all the power to ya. To judge anyone because they are different than you are is wrong.
Like I said, I grew up with the idea that a family is traditionally a mom and a dad and kids, but just because two struggling magicians make a show that tells me that it's not the traditional way anymore I say that's BS. I am completely fine with other people living how they want to be, but don't sit and tell me that the way I live isn't right anymore, that the world doesn't accept "us traditional family people" anymore. When people bash on other things that they deem to be different or "not normal" they do it because they are threatened by it. Everyone is different and everyone has different opinions that doesn't mean that any of them are right or wrong.
to me it doesnt really matter if your raised in a traditional family or a gay/lesbian one. i think a child can be raised exactly the same, i dont think parents are the biggest influence in a childs life, in my personal opinion i think friends at a young age have more of an influence of how the child will turn out as an adult. so like i said, to me it doesnt matter who raises the child, as long as they are responsible and help the child out. i dont believe in having more than 1 spouse, because obviously one person is gonna most likely get jealous and relationships shouldnt be like that, they should be happy and i think relationships should be equal i dont think one should have more power than the other. my parents came from china and vietnam where the man is the dominate one, and no choices should be made without the mans consent i dont think relationships should be like that, it should be based off boths decisions and trust.
There is a traditional family...where?! I mean I guess that's what I grew up in mom dad kid dog.... But I don't think that there really is a true traditional family definition anymore. Every where you look each kid has either a step parent, two moms, two dads or only one of either etc. I agree with multiple posts where they say the only real difference is how the kids are raised in regards to their morals and knowing the difference between right and wrong.
Family Values is a very opinionated subject. Everyone has different views on what they think the family should be like. I do believe in a traditional family, with a mom and dad. I think that it's very important to have both roles in the family. But that doesn't go for everyone. Some of the "traditional families" are the worst. The kids get forgotten, parents get divorced and anything could happen. I guess that as long as the child grows up in a loving, caring, and learning environment then hopefully things will work out for the better.
this topic is alittle more sensitive and harder to prove on either side. most of the time i think people are going to debate for however they were raised, unless the admit there screwed up and it was due the their family setting. Personally i think single family and homosexual households raising kids can do the job and they can grow up to be perfectly healthy in our society. However... It often comes down to a moral point, people don't want kids raise by gays because they don't think kids should grow up to think that is "normal" or "correct" not because their uncompilable of the task. As far as single parent home are concerned i do think your better off with two parents, not just because you have the traditional "stable" home, but its impossible to raise a kid with out a breadwinner, if there is only one parent their obviously going to be the provider and thus not be able to spend as much time actually raising the kid(s).
I think the idea that a child is better off because they have a "normal" family is bullshit. Children raised by two men or two women can grow up perfectly normal! This idea that the family STRUCTURE is important is ridiculous. People always cite cases where parents get divorced and their children get screwed up, but thats because the children have to suffer through the agony of watching their loved ones fight, and the younger they are, the more they think it is their fault! A child can be raised fine with one parent, or two same-sex parents. It all comes down to love and nurturing. Anyone who says otherwise is, (in my opinion) stretching the truth to accommodate their views.
I believe that the way a child is raised has no matter whether they are raised by two men, two women, or a man and a woman. What matters is that the adults take care of the child and help them through the difficulties of this life. If a gay person wants to be a parent and accept that responsibility then they should be allowed to do so but if they give up on the child and let them do what they want then they should not be raising the kid.
I was raised to believe that I good family comes from a father and a mother. I still believe that to this day. so I agree with the fact that marriage should be between a man and a woman. but that doesn't mean that the family then is perfect or indestructible. all sorts of problems can arise in a marriage like that. I just believe that some sort of ethics has to be upholded in this society. if we change around our structure, things might fall apart. but I do believe that same sex marriages can have their advantages. I feel that the child is more wanted and nurtured because they can't have a child naturally. this subject still confuses mehowever.
Now most people believe that the good family should be a father and a mother, perhaps that's true, perhaps we will never fully understand. But about the idea of polyamory and same sex marriage, these will become some kind argue. Polyamory is referr as intimate relationship with more than one loving. Kind weird though. The same sex marriage, you all know, the homosexuals. In my point of view on homosexuals and polyamory, if both willing to have these kind of life and both side are happy, than we should have no problem with that. Just don't bother the peoples with disagreement idea.
Some reilgious people set up Ex-gay group and claim that homosexuals can be "cured". What the HELL! Some of those group always so self-righteousness. What give them the right to decide other people's life. That's not their life and its not their business. Love is as free as wind, not a chain to be lock up. Of course, for some to become ex-gay or stay on for what they believe who they are, it's their choices.
Every child has a chance to grow up in a loving home, in a healthy family, it's all based on whether the parent is willing to put the time and effort in to taking care of there kids, it doesn't matter if you grow up with just a mom or a dad, with two moms or two dads you can still be raised the same way but just a little differently. Kids react to pain and sadness if a parent causes this pain it changes the child's life and causes them to neglect not only the parent but others. Yes it would be nice to grow up in a traditional family: Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister, etc. but not every family will be the same. People choose what lives they want to live and how they want to raise there family, everyone is different it's just life. Responsibility is the key to a family, being there for one another betters your chances of a strong loving family.
It doesn't matter what the parents are, if they're there and get what they want their child/ren to know and the morals to follow it doesnt matter what they relationship is, and i agree with Steve Rasmussen, in that the friend the child has will have a large impact on what the child turns into
I think that if a child grows up in a healthy environment, it does not matter if his/her parents are gay. As long as the parents are willing to put in the time and effort to raise the child in a safe, caring environment, then the child will be grow up to be just fine. I do see how the child could be made fun of in school for having gay parents, but its just something the child must understand. A caring family is the key to a healthy life, whether or not your parents are gay is irrelevant.
Just because you have two same sex parents doesn't mean that you can't have the best of both worlds. You can have a woman that is strong and powerful, or even a man who is loving and caring. I don't necessarily think it matters what sex, as long as the child is taken care of and given what they need to succeed in life.
We've come a long way. I'm Polynesian and it's safe to say that my ancestors agrees with Bullshit's version of Family Values as far as the variety is better, concept is concern. Multible partners was common all the way down to my father. Of course it wasn't considered legal but it wasn't uncommon practice either. Personally, It's not for me. But, whatever floats your boat. Statistics say that children are best raised by the traditional Family with a Mother and Father, but so as the gay lesbian household environment. I guess it all comes down to good old basic fundamentals, raise them with love, happiness, hope and prayer and all the good you can ever give. Raise them to become good and most pleasant human beings.
ReplyDeleteDr Sasha Rose Neil stated that there was no evidence that children raised in single parent or homosexual families were any worse off than those in "traditional families" yet this cannot be backed up since these phenomenon are recent so we really cannot comment on the long term impact on children and society.
ReplyDeleteI believe that each single one of us has the right to choose how to live their lives however they want or with whom ever they want to. But I will tell you this If my husband ever come to me and tell me that he wants a second wife or just another person to be part of our family as his companion, I am not staying for this, I do not believe for my personal life in more than one spouse. I personally probably would kill him, hahahaha.
I think that American is heading down a bad road. Although I strongly believe a child should be raise in a "traditional" family. I was a bit offended by the harping of the traditional family as that is what I grew up with. I have no problem whatsoever with gay and lesbian couples raising children. I believe they are capable of raising children to have good morals and beliefs but what I dont agree with is a married couple bringing another couple into the home for relations wether it be sexual or not. There are some things that are meant to be only between two people. I found it pretty sad that so many people nowadays dont believe in monogamy and how beautiful and how special it is to share somethings with no one other than your spouse.
ReplyDeleteI believe that any child that is raised properly in an healthy home will grow up to be respectable adult no matter what type of parents he/she might have. So I have nothing against wither traditional or lesbian/gay parents. What I do have a problem with Octa-mom! She's single and can't even afford to take of her kids, let alone give them all her undivided attention. She's soooo retarded!
ReplyDeleteAs for the having others in your relationship I think it's really ok only if I'm the only one bring girls home, hehe! Shit I might not get married at all and just become like Hugh Hafner with all his live in girlfriends! Now that's a true pimp! :-)
I don’t think that a child having two dads or two moms will have any disadvantages growing up. it won’t affect how the child grows up as long as the parents raise their kids to be good people. One thing I do think that can affect a child is when the parent brings home a new person every night. There are only so many uncles you can have before you start to question everything in life.
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ReplyDeleteThis one isn't so black and white to me. It is a lot more gray then anything. The way parents bring up there children matters until they reach the age of independance, now this can be a different age for different children. Once the kid realizes, "hey I don't have to do what my parents say? I'll do what I want, who cares what they say?" Then when this point is reached, it matters more of who they are hanging out with, rather then who their parents are. Be it a straight, gay, lesbian, multi-partner, multi-specie relationship. I guess what im trying to say is wheter you agree with it or not your kids friends will have a bigger effect on how your child "turns out" then who raises them. More often then not your kids friends will determine what they do. Be it good or bad. The important part of parenting is trying to get into your childs brain, before their period of independance, what values should be important to them. Raise your kids to select good friends if you want them to turn out to be good people.
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HAHAHA, Octa-Mom I couldn’t agree more with Tommy on that. I would have to say everything is good in moderation. What are Family values? Better yet, what do those words mean? Are any of us “self righteous” enough to say what a FAMILY should be? As Americans we love to idealize the nuclear, well not all of us mostly (I said “mostly” don’t get your feelings hurt) conservatives, and religious people. And that’s because it’s so much a part of the culture that surrounds their lives. Now I’m not saying people who aren’t religious or conservative don’t believe in a nuclear family but they realize that families are as different as we all are from each other. “Different” doesn’t mean “BAD” and I use different very loosely and neither way is necessarily proven better. The facts are that the idealized nuclear family came about post war of the 1950’s and has been forever been engrained into our psyche. But before then it was never different to live with aunts, cousins, grandparents etc. Just recently the issue has been more pertinent to give gays the same rights to raise children whether they choose to married or not.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.economist.com/diversions/millennium/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=346995
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_values
Family values is a tough one to swallow for me. I agree completely that a nuclear family does not really exist. I think that any child raised in a loving home, with gay, single, or a mom and dad, can become a good kid with good values and goals. The problem that I see is people who live in a traditional family seem to be under attack for living in a traditional family.
ReplyDeleteThe movie seemed to poke fun at the people who thought that love should be sweet or unique to just two people, specifically a man and a woman. I think if you have a traditional family that is fine, just as fine as being a unique family.
I think the style of the family is the least important issue. What builds any family up or down is the relationships and respect found in that family and outside that family. Coming from a divorced family I know that you can grow up to be a normal healthy kid and still have 2 sets of parents.
As a nation if we learn to respect both sides of the argument we will be more accepting of both traditional families and unique families. The problem with bullshit was in it's intent to find respect and acceptance of one type of living it trampled all over the other type of living.
I think they poked fun at traditional type families to try to prove a point. However, I do not think that any particular style of family is better than the other. I think it is how the ones in the relationship, whatever it may be, handle themselves, which makes it a good or bad relationship. I have not seen many homosexual couples personally, and I have not seen a couple who shares with each other, but I have only seen a traditional man and woman type family. I would say that man and woman is just as bad as the rest or just as bad. This is because it is the people who they are around. We have all seen kids from typical families become some of the worst kids imaginable. Then I also have a friend who has never met his father, and mother is gone alot, yet he is one of the best people around. How does this work? It has nothing to do with the family style, but rather the people in it, and I think that is what people should be focused on more, rather than focusing on religous views of marriage and family.
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ReplyDeleteOh my goodness, I hated to make this comment! Anyway, I don't know I..Let me explain, I grew up with traditional family very conservative. I hated it!. I guess I don't know, I am the only boy for the family. I would love to have my brother and sisters. But to add more wife to my dad. oh no... that would never work for them. It is depanding on th stuation family backgrounds. As long our society is balancing and mixing. That would good enough for me.
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And yet we stared to see chance happening in this cricle time. we did more knowlege and grwoing faster then ever in ideal, meaning of life and true. I must accept to fact the past human history prove our, and think we can difine ourself far beyond the wildest dream.
That is very one is the global family with long distant spider webs. There are no doubt that soon happen.
I personally love the idea, because if a same sex couple wasn't allowed to adopt. I wouldn't be here now. The idea that two mothers should somehow be less capable of raising a child than a father and a mother is abhorrant to me. I don't care if it takes a neighborhood to raise a child, but don't tell me that if I had a mom and a dad I would be so much better off. I've seen so many people who had a mom and a dad who were abused or even destroyed by two people who weren't ready for the responsability of parenthood, and it distresses me to see good friends snap, or go crazy, or simply be abandoned by parents who couldn't handle the task. parenthood in an of itself is a hard job. If a couple wishes to have kids (any kind of couple) they need to make sure they are ready for the challenges having a child brings. As for the people who have more than one partner, It takes a village and if you can secure the help, the better to you.
ReplyDeleteWhen it comes down to family values, I can’t speak for everyone on what this means but I can tell you what it means to me, it’s a family who takes care of each other and where the adults look over the children by teaching and enforcing moral values. To me this is not only limited to a traditional family, I can see it working with any type of family as long as the adults assume responsibility within their role. I believe marriage between a man and a woman to be a special bond that you share with one person but that’s just me, I don’t think any other type of marriage is wrong or unmoral. As long as you’re raising your kids right, it is not a problem and what I mean by raising your kids right is every person alive knows the difference between a good deed and a bad one, so it’s not that difficult to figure out from there.
ReplyDeleteFamily values... to say that only type of family makes the most successful children is ridiculous. In today's world there are people from all walks of life that "make it big" and also make it in prison. To make it short and simple, it depends on the person/people raising the children. They themselves have to have good values and goals and a sense of family.
ReplyDeleteThis is one of those subjects that I have pondered on a lot and being raised LDS and still an active member I do still hold to the position that a healthy, loving "Traditional marriage” is still the overall best environment in which to raise kids. I don’t know if the term "traditional Marriage" could ever be politically correct especially in a modern sense but that’s what people are calling it so I'll go with it. Don’t get me wrong though, I can see how any person, couple, or group of people can raise children very well in fact I'm sure there are many instances where children raised in “nontraditional families” can be just as well if not more well adjusted than those raised in the traditional way but I trust in my church doctrine and beliefs so I’ll just go on living as I see fit, letting others make their own decisions and trying not to judge them unfairly. For me it’s really not a matter of what studies show or what certain circumstances produce it’s a matter of faith. Raising a family is probably the hardest thing anyone will ever do in their life. Getting it right seems nearly impossible. It’s a lifelong commitment and that in itself makes it an enormously difficult but infinitely rewarding experience. Anyone who loves, provides for and commits themselves to raising honest, caring, healthy, happy and loving children is worthy of great respect ( I have four kids myself and as I said earlier I know it’s the hardest and most rewarding thing I’ll ever do)(Props to all you who are trying to raise good kids). Kids will make their own decisions no matter what kind of home they are raised in and even children from the same families raised in identical situations can be criminals or saints. I don’t think that the ultimate destiny of a person depends on what type of home they were raised in, it’s up to them to choose how their life will be. Even with a loving Father and Mother there’s no guarantee that kids will be well behaved or productive contributors to society. Nevertheless my faith in the original family unit as in the beginning with Adam and Eve compels me to continue in this way. To anyone either raised differently or raising children differently from this way I wish you all the best of blessings for both you and your children.... Amen. J/K. I just wanted to acknowledge that I did sound a little preachy. Sorry! Pen and Teller would rip me a new asshole for saying this stuff. Those guys are awesome (sometimes).
ReplyDeleteKids will be kids. I agree with Steve Ras-You are who you hang out with. I do not know the statistics, but I'm guessing that if you're a little kid, being raised by 2 "characters" of the same gender... You're probably gunna' be a little queer yourself... Damn, I'm trying not to make this sound offensive.
ReplyDeleteKids want to grow up to be like somebody... I always admired my dad's strength, and my mom's tenderness. To have 2 parents of the same sex... Let me skate away from this nightmare.
The guy with the 2 girls... Or the girl with the 2 guys... What about the other 2 losers? So, let me get this straight... lol
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Family is the basic building blocks of life. If you think about it, our society is quite reliant on the upbringing of our successors. Who will take over once we are gone? What values are correct to teach our children? Who knows? For me, I would like to raise MY SEED with a loving WIFE who shares similar values as me. Can a gay or lesbian couple do it better than me? Sure, and I am not going to tell anyone what they need to do, but don’t tell me what to do either. The idea of a traditional family is comforting and I like it! For me the only way to raise a family is the traditional way.
ReplyDeleteSo what family system raises children best??? I don’t think anyone can make that judgment call. No matter how much research is done. It is too situational and circumstantial. Personalities vary too much and there is no way to graph true thoughts and feelings and such, but everyone has choices and we should not limit them. Let the Gays and adulterers and traditional radicals do what they want.
I believe that one wife and for one husband, one husband for one wife is the best. If they caanot do that, they should not get married. We are not animal, we are the human that can control our desire.To have realtionship with more than one is something animal do.I think it is ok for gays couple to have children, but not all of us are ready to accept gays couple. So there are high chances that thier children can teased by other children at school. If they think about that, they should not involve thier children to thier wishes. But what can I say? If they do not try, they won't be accepted from society forever. But I just do not feel right about it. There are reason why we have men and women. We have different abilities and can do different thing for child.
ReplyDeleteIt is just hard to say, I have nice gay friends and I want them to live happy and be able to get what other people get.
Family Values... the term itself promotes diversity. Every family is going to be different, every family will have different views on the right and wrong way to bring up a child. And with every different family comes a different circumstance. Any study can be skewed to show anything, given the right variables studied vs. the right variable left out. No one can say to another with 100% certainty that just because you are Gay or Lesbian, or Single that you cannot raise a child just as well as someone who is the social "norm" of heterosexual male and female relationship. I know many people that are very unfit to become parents that would fit in the normal family category.
ReplyDeleteBut who is to judge what normal is anyhow. Normal to one person in white suburbia of Utah is completely awkward and out of this world to someone from pretty much any other state. Just as we have freedom of religion and speech. I think we should have freedom to raise our children the way we see best fit with the person we see best fit to do it.
It doesn't matter if a child is raised by two moms, two dads, or a varation of both. I think what matters is the family values you teach them and the love that is expressed to them.
ReplyDeleteI agree or I see it more logical when two same sex couples or a traditional marriage are raising a child than a union of many multiple moms and a dad. If they're are raised with multiple moms and a dad, what morals and values are being taught to this child? Would he grow up and not know how to respect a woman or vice versa would the young girl being raised be controlled and manipulated in a relationship, because this is what she experienced in her childhood? I don't know if I agree with it.
Now same-sex couple rasing a child, the biggest problem I could think of happening in this situation would be: If a child is being raised by two men or woman, he/she might lack the bonding that a boy would get with his dad or a girl lacking the bond that is only possible with a mom. It wouldn't be the same as when a boy goes out with his dad to play catch or a mom and daughter having a "mom & daughter date" shopping.
Though the movie explains how our world is moving to a more modern accepting era, there is still a lot of judging and stereo-typing in our society. I say this because, Lets say a child being raised by a same-sex marriage goes to school and one of his classmates finds out that he has two dads instead of a mom and a dad. Knowing how kids are, they will see it weird and different and they might tell all the other classmates. And the classmates might judge and ridicule the child, making the child's life and school experience a living hell. Just because he is a little different. This can really affect a child's mental state. We know how bullying and stereo typing is in jr. high and high school.
I think it's great if a same-sex marriage raises a child, but we need to take into consideration how this will affect the child in society. Because though we say society is being more accepting we still have people who are cruel and judgemental!
a family is a family no matter what. raising a kid with love is all that matters can a lesbian/gay couple raise a kid and show there adopted kid love? yes they can. the kid might grow up pretty fucked in the head i grew up without a dad and that has had a big affect on my life so to moms would of been some weird shit but at least the kid has a loving family that was able to take care of him/her that there mom couldn't so yes there is pros in the same sex marriages but like i said there are alot of cons in the family.in my opinion you are NOT born gay you are born straight so why not keep it that way raise your kids and have a good normal family.
ReplyDeleteFamily values has nothing to do with gay, straight, multiple lovers or what not. Family values is about taking care of one another as a kid hopefully your parents feed you cloth you and do what they can for you. When your parents get old hopefully you will return the favor.
ReplyDeleteEven though I'm married and have one kid and another on the way. I'm don't really believe that we as a species were made to be with one partner. However I don't plan on cheating on my wife even though I have the urge to get on every hot chick I see. The reasoning for this is that if she cheated on me I would be totally pissed off and probably murder someone. So Family Values has allot to do with the golden rule. Plus there is allot of STD's and yeah your pretty much an asshole if you're out spreading those around.
I think that the reason that most American families are set up with a Husband, Wife, and kids is because of money if you knock a girl up you are gonna have to pay for that kid in dollar amounts so men and women cant go around and have sex with everyone because of a thing called child support and the need to know what child is who's.
As far as gay, straight. I'm gonna say that you are born that way because I didn't choose to love vagina's and boobs I just always have. Having gay parents is not going to mess you up. Having straight or gay parents that are pedophiles and or child rapist is what will mess you up.
Family values and the traditional family are 2 different things that do cross boundaries with each other.
ReplyDeleteBeing gay, straight, or bisexual determines your sexual orientation, not the way you raise a raise.
A couple points are that having a father and a mother raising has shown me and has taught me that that is the best way FOR ME to be in the future. That is my traditional view. However, that does not make it the best way for everyone. You can't push that belief against others if you see them happy. A happy family is a happy family.
If a gay couple want to raise a child, that's fine. If a straight couple want to raise a child, that's fine. But they better realize that the child comes first in everything. Love is what makes a family. Values is what is taught in a family. Love and values are what is inside a family.
That's what I want. Tradition in my eyes, whatever it is in yours.
My parents loved each other as well as me, and the best part is that they both contributed in making me. As I grew they cultivated the pros in my character. Don’t you all know; my parents are the only ones that know how to raise a kid?
ReplyDeleteThe problem with gay couples is that only one can have a hand in creating a baby. It’s a common belief that you simply don’t love another person’s kid like you would your own.
I don’t see how any one could be so arrogant to bring a helpless person into the world anyway. You have to be pretty narcissistic if you ask me… The best part is; I’ll most likely join the trend one day, multiple times.
I agree with most of the posts. Who are we as a society to pinpoint what works best for family values? I know a gay couple with a child and they are the greatest parents. They have a smart, well-behaved 11 year old. Who is to say that if this child was raised in a heterosexual environment they would have turned out differently? As the show tried to prove, just because the family itself is set up a little differently than the "traditional" american family does not depict that the child isn't going to be raised to be a mature adult. Just like one of the speakers in the show stated that family values have been evolving over time and who is to say that maybe 50 or 100 years from now things won't be different? Also agreeing with someother things listed by others in the post is that sometimes the most messed-up, trouble-making, rude people do grow up in a traditional setting. So for society to play the blame game and say "well they never had a father/mother figure in their life" is an excuse. If the parent is strong enough to raise a child with the proper care then who is it once more to say they didn't do it the right way?
ReplyDeleteThis show tells you how different America is about raising a family. About 50 years ago people wouldnt even think about letting gays and lasbians raise a family of innocent kids. But now they want to pass a bill saying that its totally ok. Also bringing in another couple to have sex with you is just down right weird. I dont know about you but I'm sure when I get married my wife wouldn't like that to much. But we do live in America which gives us the right to choose whatever we want!!!
ReplyDeleteI think that the way you were raised has a lot to do with who you will become in the future. I don't think that there is a huge difference on what "family type" your raised up in as long as there are good influences around you. Some people might disagree on the gay/lesbian families but it's not like they are evil people, they just want a family like everyone else. Family isn't alway a Mom, Dad, Brothers and Sisters but it's who is there for you all the time and you can help you when you need it most.
ReplyDeleteI believe in a traditional family value system personaly and i dont see anything wrong with it that being said i dont see a problem with any other kind of values either wether they are gay lesbian swingers whatever it doesnt really matter as long as they are ok with it and have functioning lifes who cares what they do they are not harming you in any way and there are tons of traditional familys that have problems as well maybe we should stop looking at what genders or how many people are in the family and look at what the reall problems really are let it be alcohol drugs or just a dick head of a person in the family all in all i think it just comes down to what each individual person is comfortable with and if it works it works if it doesnt try something else or someone else
ReplyDeletei support the traditional family, but there is no problem with any set of parents raising children. it seems that the world is becoming more and more tolerant of other people and their views. so there is no reason that a loving couple, homosexual or not, should be able to raise children just as well as a traditional family.
ReplyDeletea traditional family does have it's advantages. with society today, children of a traditional family will have an easier time relating with other children their age. though i support the traditional family view, i cannot ignore that a homosexual couple would do as good a job at raising children as any other couple.
I stand firm in my belief that the best situation for raising children is in a loving home with a father and a mother, ie...the "traditional family". However, my focus in that last sentence is "LOVING"...it is not enough, and not good enough for it to just be a father and mother. Two (and even sometimes 1) parents of whatever gender can be very good with positive outcomes...i just feel there are some things that two "moms" or two "dads" will not be able to teach as well as the mother/father combo.
ReplyDeletethe debate for family as it is seen in America is one that is rather heated. here we have the idea of the family as it was created by those that formed America. people with strong religious convictions and sense of morality. to these people one man and one woman was a family and none else would do. as the christian majority held sway for a very long time this has become the "American" view of the family. i would agree with the historians in the show that the one man one woman concept of family is not the most popular in historical concept, but each nation and culture is allowed the freedom to decide what they will define to be a standard in that culture. of course as time goes on and a culture evolves then of course so can the definitions of say family. in America we have a history of violent opposition to any other form of "family" offered by any religion, sect or creed. do i feel that gay and lesbian couples are more or less capable than an normal family to raise kids? not really, in fact with the enormous pressures that they have politically, there are many of these couples that overcompensate. that is they work harder and longer than the normal family to raise their kids. that said there are couples on both sides of the fence that are not fit to be parents and others that are great at raising a family. this is more of an individual thing than a blanket solution on the gays vs normal families.
ReplyDeleteas you think of family and who should be allowed to have a family, maybe the goals that we hold for the family units should be reviewed.
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ReplyDeleteI believe in a traditional family. That doesn't mean that I don't believe that a nontraditional family works as well. I believe that it is how a child is raised, not who raises them. If a child is raised with good values, they should carry those values into their adult lives. It doesn't matter whether the parents are gay or lesbain. What matters is how they do the raising. I was raised in a traditional family who taught me good values, and I hope to pass those same values down in my family.
ReplyDeleteA family comes in many forms. Studies have shown that children do much better and with their biological mother AND father. There are real statistic in my marriage and family book I can show you. Just because perverts think having sex with everyone and trying to raise kids is effective doesn't mean it is. All Penn and Teller gave us in this one was a bunch of opinions from bad sources, no facts. Children from homosexual families are very well developed, happy, and functional but we do not have enough studies for a long period of time analasys. We have had traditional families since the begining of time and only homosexual families for 20 maybe 30 years. There also is a much smaller amount of them so the overall results are unknown. I don't think a child must have both a mother and a father to have qualities needed to live a functional happy life. Families come in many forms and children adapt very well. Parents are not the only thing that produce a good child as well. Having certain values is extremely important though for a good family. Children do not do well in families that have low values, are inconsistant, are not nurtured and many other aspects that a good family will have.
ReplyDeleteWhile it is perhaps gratifying to focus on the child rearing credential of the alternative social structures that Penn & Teller used to question the validity of a concept of the “traditional family,” it sets aside the issue that they were in fact calling into question whether the traditional family ever in fact existed en masse as it is perceived. Even in a externally nuclear family with mother, father and child, gender roles and social stereotypes are incorrectly assumed to exist, when very often they do not. Mothers are not the exclusive nurturing force, and fathers are not the sole purveyors of sportsmanship or outdoor enthusiasm. Thus, even in a household with a mother and father, you will not find that the mother contributes one predictable thing while fathers contribute something distinctly male and different.
ReplyDeleteIt has become increasingly common for women to be the sole financial provider for a family, allowing the father to the be primary nurturer. In point of fact, my husband and I have had a long standing arrangement and plan for our future along these lines. He has worked full time and will continue to do so until I finish law school and can easily earn income enough to support both of us and perhaps consider whether we are ready to start a family. At that point, he is free to not work if he chooses, as he does not find the personal satisfaction and achievement in working that I do. He plans to be the primary caregiver for our children and therefore tends to follow news regarding “stay-at-home dads.” Although it may come as a shock, the news is nearly as oppressive and discriminatory as it can be for homosexual (both male and female) couples.
If, as many of you have stated, the main (cited) drawback to same-sex parenting is how children are treated and discriminated against, then it is a main drawback to egalitarian marriages in which men are primary caregivers as well. Men out alone in public with their children are treated with wariness, suspicion and hostility due to a hysterical fear that all men involved with children are sexual predators. When a woman drags a screaming toddler from a grocery store at midday, it is assumed that the child is simply having a tantrum; should a father be observed doing the same, very often the same people will suspect that the child is being abducted. Fathers have been banned from “play-date” groups on the assumption that they pose a danger to the children and even been asked to leave public parks when visiting with their children.
The traditional family has always been a mythical ideal, and today is more so than ever as oppressive gender roles have been shed to accommodate the specific needs of individuals and families.
Family Values- believe that family values are very important. I believe that in almost any family situtation things can work out better then the traditional family. That not every famliy is the same. I believe that the traditional family is the family that works the best. That more people that have a mother father and kids is the family that works for most, and i other situtaion it can be bad for kids and it could work out for kids. I also believe that religion plays a big part on the family. For good or bad. I think that some situations can bond your family closer to each other and something can bring your family down.
ReplyDeleteI have grown up in what they call a traditional family. I have a mom and a dad but then they got divorced and remarried and so now I have step brothers and sister on both sides and now that I'm married I have brothers and sisters in law and so on and so forth. Now does that mean that everyone in america should live the same way? No, I think that there are many different ways to be a family. If you are gay and want kids, all the power to ya. To judge anyone because they are different than you are is wrong.
ReplyDeleteLike I said, I grew up with the idea that a family is traditionally a mom and a dad and kids, but just because two struggling magicians make a show that tells me that it's not the traditional way anymore I say that's BS. I am completely fine with other people living how they want to be, but don't sit and tell me that the way I live isn't right anymore, that the world doesn't accept "us traditional family people" anymore. When people bash on other things that they deem to be different or "not normal" they do it because they are threatened by it. Everyone is different and everyone has different opinions that doesn't mean that any of them are right or wrong.
to me it doesnt really matter if your raised in a traditional family or a gay/lesbian one. i think a child can be raised exactly the same, i dont think parents are the biggest influence in a childs life, in my personal opinion i think friends at a young age have more of an influence of how the child will turn out as an adult. so like i said, to me it doesnt matter who raises the child, as long as they are responsible and help the child out.
ReplyDeletei dont believe in having more than 1 spouse, because obviously one person is gonna most likely get jealous and relationships shouldnt be like that, they should be happy and i think relationships should be equal i dont think one should have more power than the other. my parents came from china and vietnam where the man is the dominate one, and no choices should be made without the mans consent i dont think relationships should be like that, it should be based off boths decisions and trust.
There is a traditional family...where?! I mean I guess that's what I grew up in mom dad kid dog.... But I don't think that there really is a true traditional family definition anymore. Every where you look each kid has either a step parent, two moms, two dads or only one of either etc. I agree with multiple posts where they say the only real difference is how the kids are raised in regards to their morals and knowing the difference between right and wrong.
ReplyDeleteFamily Values is a very opinionated subject. Everyone has different views on what they think the family should be like. I do believe in a traditional family, with a mom and dad. I think that it's very important to have both roles in the family. But that doesn't go for everyone. Some of the "traditional families" are the worst. The kids get forgotten, parents get divorced and anything could happen. I guess that as long as the child grows up in a loving, caring, and learning environment then hopefully things will work out for the better.
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this topic is alittle more sensitive and harder to prove on either side. most of the time i think people are going to debate for however they were raised, unless the admit there screwed up and it was due the their family setting. Personally i think single family and homosexual households raising kids can do the job and they can grow up to be perfectly healthy in our society. However... It often comes down to a moral point, people don't want kids raise by gays because they don't think kids should grow up to think that is "normal" or "correct" not because their uncompilable of the task. As far as single parent home are concerned i do think your better off with two parents, not just because you have the traditional "stable" home, but its impossible to raise a kid with out a breadwinner, if there is only one parent their obviously going to be the provider and thus not be able to spend as much time actually raising the kid(s).
ReplyDeleteI think the idea that a child is better off because they have a "normal" family is bullshit. Children raised by two men or two women can grow up perfectly normal! This idea that the family STRUCTURE is important is ridiculous. People always cite cases where parents get divorced and their children get screwed up, but thats because the children have to suffer through the agony of watching their loved ones fight, and the younger they are, the more they think it is their fault! A child can be raised fine with one parent, or two same-sex parents. It all comes down to love and nurturing. Anyone who says otherwise is, (in my opinion) stretching the truth to accommodate their views.
ReplyDeleteI believe that the way a child is raised has no matter whether they are raised by two men, two women, or a man and a woman. What matters is that the adults take care of the child and help them through the difficulties of this life. If a gay person wants to be a parent and accept that responsibility then they should be allowed to do so but if they give up on the child and let them do what they want then they should not be raising the kid.
ReplyDeleteI was raised to believe that I good family comes from a father and a mother. I still believe that to this day. so I agree with the fact that marriage should be between a man and a woman. but that doesn't mean that the family then is perfect or indestructible. all sorts of problems can arise in a marriage like that. I just believe that some sort of ethics has to be upholded in this society. if we change around our structure, things might fall apart. but I do believe that same sex marriages can have their advantages. I feel that the child is more wanted and nurtured because they can't have a child naturally. this subject still confuses mehowever.
ReplyDeleteNow most people believe that the good family should be a father and a mother, perhaps that's true, perhaps we will never fully understand. But about the idea of polyamory and same sex marriage, these will become some kind argue. Polyamory is referr as intimate relationship with more than one loving. Kind weird though. The same sex marriage, you all know, the homosexuals. In my point of view on homosexuals and polyamory, if both willing to have these kind of life and both side are happy, than we should have no problem with that. Just don't bother the peoples with disagreement idea.
ReplyDeleteSome reilgious people set up Ex-gay group and claim that homosexuals can be "cured". What the HELL! Some of those group always so self-righteousness. What give them the right to decide other people's life. That's not their life and its not their business. Love is as free as wind, not a chain to be lock up. Of course, for some to become ex-gay or stay on for what they believe who they are, it's their choices.
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ReplyDeleteEvery child has a chance to grow up in a loving home, in a healthy family, it's all based on whether the parent is willing to put the time and effort in to taking care of there kids, it doesn't matter if you grow up with just a mom or a dad, with two moms or two dads you can still be raised the same way but just a little differently. Kids react to pain and sadness if a parent causes this pain it changes the child's life and causes them to neglect not only the parent but others. Yes it would be nice to grow up in a traditional family: Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister, etc. but not every family will be the same. People choose what lives they want to live and how they want to raise there family, everyone is different it's just life. Responsibility is the key to a family, being there for one another betters your chances of a strong loving family.
It doesn't matter what the parents are, if they're there and get what they want their child/ren to know and the morals to follow it doesnt matter what they relationship is, and i agree with Steve Rasmussen, in that the friend the child has will have a large impact on what the child turns into
ReplyDeleteI think that if a child grows up in a healthy environment, it does not matter if his/her parents are gay. As long as the parents are willing to put in the time and effort to raise the child in a safe, caring environment, then the child will be grow up to be just fine. I do see how the child could be made fun of in school for having gay parents, but its just something the child must understand. A caring family is the key to a healthy life, whether or not your parents are gay is irrelevant.
ReplyDeleteJust because you have two same sex parents doesn't mean that you can't have the best of both worlds. You can have a woman that is strong and powerful, or even a man who is loving and caring. I don't necessarily think it matters what sex, as long as the child is taken care of and given what they need to succeed in life.
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